've got chuck hagel who he's trying to sell as a great infantry man. i love nurses, but they shouldn't be the head of hhs. we need qualified people with credibility with the other side. >> this whole thing's sort of this insider liberalism. >> right. >> it seems to me, ari, that's basically what jack is. he's an insider liberal, he's going to take his marching orders. you know, this administration runs everything from the oval office and president obama's ideology, which is a left wing ideology. i don't happen to share it. he won the election, i get that, but you just can't convince me that a jack lew or chuck hagel are first class appointments. they're not. nobody's going to buy that. >> how much time do i get to respond to jennifer's points? >> you get about 40 seconds. >> look, i think briefly on senator hagel, he was on the foreign relations committee, he spoke out about iraq, he spoke out about the surge, he has a record, some people disagree with his policies, i think he's imminently qualified, not only obviously because he served bravely for our country but also because he did